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**Flash24** · 08-28-2008, 04:31 PM

I started typing this as a reply to the "Anti Christ" post but it got to be a little longer than expected and wanted that post to stay on that topic, I think it is good for a bit of a laugh if nothing else. Here is some more info though that many may not be aware of or you may, but never thought about it this way. Sorry, it got a bit long winded, but when I start typing about this stuff, I cant stop, lol.
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Another thing to keep in mind here is not the religious side, but the racial side of things. Here is what the "mainstream media" or as my buddy Rush likes to call it, the "Drive By Media" will either never tell you or they will run a quick blurb and then move on to the "more important stories" of the day.

We have all heard if you even follow this a LITTLE bit that Obama was part of a church who's pastor preached hatred and racism. His sermons have been well published, and recorded for anyone who wishes to argue that fact. Now, he not only attended this church but was a member for a number of years. Two problems I have with this and the way it was handled. One is if my pastor were preaching something I didnt agree with that was that controversial, I would not stay a member of that church. We aren't talking about his pastor preaching something like "rock music is of the devil" or "women should not be allowed to have short hair", we are talking about a mainstream topic of discussion, something that people have been killed over for decades. PURE HATE AND RACISM. BUT.... The media left it alone because he is their guy. (media like CNN, or MSNBC, (btw, Kieth Oberman had a better brain for sports when he was on ESPN, politics is not his forte by any means, lol).

THE SECOND ISSUE... Had this been a reversed situation and lets say McCain attended a church where his pastor was KKK member. Lets say he stayed there for a number of years. Do you think he would even have a shot to be president right now? NO, he would be done in politics all together. It is ok though when someone on the other side says it, does it, pratices it.

Obama can claim allllllllllll he wants that he didn't agree with his pastors views on this, but I ask then as a voter, "why did you stay with him and look to him as a spiritual and moral leader in your life for so longg" It wasn't like he just visited that church one time and then backed off saying "whoa, this guy's a nut." No, he stayed there, he gave offering on Sundays, and he had even initially named this guy to work on his campaign committee.

BTW, on the flip side, and what makes this topic very ironic is his new running mate, Joe Biden. (Yes, he is from DE, and no I did not vote for him to be a senator). Biden has made numerous racist (at least slightly controversial) remarks that I cant for the life of me understand how he is still around. In fact for the second one, he was all but crucified for it. Maybe we can look forward to him putting one foot in his mouth during this campaign and the other in Obamas, lol. The first one, about Obama, when he was asked in Feb of last year how he felt about him (Obama was considered a new and Jr Senator at the time).
"I look at Obama and I see a clean black guy." <-----If he was asked about any Caucasian senator, do you think he would have thrown in that he sees a clean white guy? c'mon, what was that all about, lmbo!!!

The second one, actually came a bit earlier, 2006 when he made this comment. At the time he was visiting New Hampshire and made the comment about Indian migrants owning coffee shops and convenience stores in Delaware.
"In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking . . ."

He say's "Im Joking." yes, but as a political leader do you really think that these people took it as joking? I just ask you this, if the president said this, how much fun would the media have with it? If McCain said that, he could forget about the election now.

One last thing on Obama. You notice, I won't type it if I don't know the facts on it. I heard something recently that I am going to research and when I find out some more facts on it, I will post them here. If anyone else wants to look into it, check out Michelle Obama's college thesis. Apparently, and I do say apparently because again I dont know the facts just yet, but do want to research the claims that made points discussing and supporting the views of the Black Panthers. I know she is not the person being elected here, but same thing as it is with the pastor, it is all the people and the views you associate with that show who you really are. This is already coming from a woman that contradicts herself when she speaks. It was in May that she made the comment that she wanted Barrack to become president because it will be the first time in her adult life that she has been proud to be an American. Yet at the same time, in the same speech she talked about "returning the country" to the type of leadership that Clinton gave us. I bring her to light in this topic not because she is his wife. There are other "first ladies" that would never be mentioned here, but he has already made it a point to have her as a big part of his campaign. How big? She gave the opening speech for the DNC. This is the first time ever in the history of the country that a possible "first lady" has given not only the opening, but also a headline speech during the convention. So if she is part of all of this, then what her thoughts and views as well as what she has done in her past is also fair game in debating whether or not this guy and the people he surrounds himself with are worth/worthy being the future leaders of our country.

BTW, for anyone making $42000 a year, that is the cutoff. When Obama talks about not raising taxes on the middle class and being a man that supports the middle class. Well, his economic plan that he has published already shows that would be one of the first groups to be taxed. Now, depending on where you live in the country, that can either be pretty good money and even put you in the state of "upper middle class", however, if you live just about anywhere on the east coast or in just about any major metro area, that is only about average. So, guess who gets hit first. Make sure you not only listen to what he has to say, but understand his definition of "middle class" when buying into his ideas.

**Flash24** · 08-28-2008, 04:58 PM

Update on the Thesis info.... I have read what all the hoopla was about. Somehow I missed this one in the news when it first hit, which was a few months ago. The thesis its self did cause some concern, but what really caused both concern and suspicion was when various people tried to gain access to this, they were told it would be unavailable until AFTER the 2008 election..... hmmmmmm

As I said, I don't think that in most cases that a persons family members should determine whether or not you vote for them. A good example was when there was the supposed alcoholic step brother of Clinton who killed someone and was charged with a DUI. I mean I agree that has nothing to do with him. As long as he is not coming out in support of this guy and then also supporting anti drinking and driving legislation, then there is no reason that something like that should ever be brought up. Another example was when they talked about President Bush's daughter's partying and underage drinking on campus. First off, these are young adult woman, they make their own decisions, and they were not part of his campaign or what he was doing politically. So, why bring it up?

In this case though, it is a bit different. Barrack has made it a point to have his wife as one of the people speaking for him and his campaign. To top it off, it also happens to fit right in line with the first topic at hand here, the racist church he attended.

On a side note but still related to this subject, it was stated that it was unfair that so many white voters would not vote for him because he is black. HOWEVER, what I have seen on the other hand is how many black voters are only voting for him because he is black. There was a woman on the news right after Hilary pulled out of the race that was jumping up and down, she was so excited that a black man finally had a legitimate shot at being the president. First of all, I can see where her pride is coming from. It would be like a member of my family winning a NASCAR race. There is a certain amount of pride people should have when there is something that they have in common with someone who has a chance to succeed at something. At the same time though, it is wrong for people of any color to make the decision based soley on that. This woman made it very clear that she didn't agree with everything that Obama said, but "he was her man" because " the black community deserved a black man to be the president finally." That is totally wrong, I dont care what the persons color is. That just tells me that you have wishes that this person has some agenda that will benefit you. Not that you are looking to be served by the best person to lead the country. So in the end, I look at it being a wash when there are equal numbers of people that will vote for him because of his race vs the ones that wont vote for him because of his race.

Me personally, I wont vote for him because of what he stands for. I don't care for the other candidate either, but if you only have two realistic choices of who is going to win, if you cant vote the ideal candidate in, then at least vote for the one that is better than the other.

**27jALLTHEWAY** · 08-28-2008, 06:39 PM

Watch FOX NEWS, the only way to go, unbiased and not like CNN, and MSNBC that report only what you what to hear or what they want to tell you in thier own way...

FOX NEWS!!!!

**27jALLTHEWAY** · 08-28-2008, 06:47 PM

Dam Rick your right on the money with all the above statements, i just wish the world would start listening to the real facts and not th hoopla that he preaches about...

We all will be in big trouble if he gets elected, i just hope this doesn't happen, i'm not saying that McCain is any better, but Obama is defintly a worse choice then McCain, but then again is their going to be an independent running again like Ralph Nader? I'd vote for him, that man has great ideas and isn't out to line his pockets and be famous as being a politician...

Great post, you should post this ove at dtd in the genreal discusssion area, i'm sure this will spark some conversation.

Tom

***FUO*-*HARDROCK*** · 08-28-2008, 08:26 PM

Someone down at work asked this old boy I knew what he thought about getting Martin Luther King Day off from work for a holiday. He said "I think they ought to shoot 4 more of the sons a bitches and we could take a whole week off". Guess who gets my vote for #2???

***FUO*-*HARDROCK*** · 08-29-2008, 01:17 PM

After the speech in Berlin, Obama got out of the shower and was drying off when he looked in the mirror and noticed he was white from the neck up to the top of his head.
In sheer panic and fearing he was turning white and might have to give up his hopes to be president, he called his doctor and told him of his problem.

The doctor advised him to come to his office immediately. After an examination, the doctor mixed a concoction of brown liquid, gave it to Obama, and told him to dr ink it all.

Obama drank the concoction and replied, 'That tasted like bullshit!'

The doctor replied, 'It was, you were a quart low'.

***FUO*-*SIBS69*** · 08-29-2008, 03:05 PM

This lawsuit has been pretty much swept under the rug by our so called "unbiased" media. Some have flat refused to even mention it.
I think it would be a pretty important question to be answered one way or the other and to have a legal decision made on this.
Then there is also the hanging question of whether he might still be a citizen of another country due to a marriage and location of his mother during his youth.
I view the man as a very serious threat to our country. I view him as an enemy of the state. I KNOW that he is definitely an enemy to the constitution and a threat to personal freedom and our rights.
This whole ordeal of him even holding any office in our country is an embarrassment.
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By: KEITH PHUCAS, Times Herald Staff
08/25/2008

PHILADELPHIA - A Lafayette Hill attorney filed a lawsuit in federal court Thursday challenging Sen. Barack Obama's claim to United States citizenship. The action seeks to remove the Democratic candidate from the November ballot.
To be eligible to serve as U.S. president, a person must be born in this country. According to Obama's birth certificate, which his campaign posted on its Internet site in June to quell rumors that he is foreign born, the Illinois senator was born in Hawaii on Aug. 6, 1961.
On Thursday, Philip Berg filed a temporary restraining order in federal court to bar Obama from running for president, claiming the Democratic candidate was actually born in Africa.
"We really don't believe he was born in Hawaii," Berg said. "We think he was born in Kenya."
The presidential candidate's father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, according to Obama's campaign Web site.
Berg's suit claims the senator's grandmother, brother and sister, who live in Kenya, believe they were present during Obama's birth in the African country.
Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, grew up in Kansas, and his parents met at the University of Hawaii when Dunham was a student there, according to the Obama campaign.
Eventually, Obama's father returned to Kenya, and his son grew up in Hawaii with his mother and for a few years in Indonesia after Dunham married an Indonesian man, Lolo Soetoro. Also, Obama lived with his maternal grandparents in Hawaii.
"If he was born in Hawaii, and he was adopted in Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro, (Obama) would lose his citizenship," Berg said.
The Obama campaign has a special section on its Web site, "Fight the Smears," that debunks the birth certificate story and other reports that have circulated about him during the campaign.
"It's part of a smear campaign," said an Obama campaign volunteer who identified herself as Rachel. "There are just so many lies out there."
The lawsuit claims three "independent" document forensic experts performed extensive tests on the digitally-scanned image of Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth" posted on the campaign's site and found the document to be "a forgery."
Jerome Corsi, author of the book, "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality," has also deemed the birth certificate phony, according to The Annenberg Political Fact Check, www.FactCheck.org.
The Annenberg Political Fact Check, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, aims to expose deception and confusion in U.S. politics.
Recently, FactCheck.org staffers "touched, examined and photographed" the original birth certificate kept at the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago and concluded the document is genuine.
"The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.," FactCheck.org staffers concluded.
Sean Smith, Obama's Pennsylvania communications director, was contacted Friday about the suit but declined comment.
The civil suit filed by Berg will be reviewed by the U.S. Federal Election Commission, according to Patty Hartman, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.

dtrshoover · 08-29-2008, 11:16 PM

just to get opion about this if it was another color guy and or lady would they be treated any difrent in election or would they get the crap he is getting just want opipn becuse at momet no 1 knows what ganna happen but do u really think mc cain is beter person just to add more what if was mccain and clinton for pres would u vote am lady in office just my opion i sure hell would what more damge can happen to our country who ever gets in office has fix dammage thats done first thats a fact

***FUO*-*SKINMAN*** · 08-29-2008, 11:18 PM

OK Let's Go RACING!!!!!!!!

**VLR_Shock** · 08-30-2008, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash24

Obama can claim allllllllllll he wants that he didn't agree with his pastors views on this, but I ask then as a voter, "why did you stay with him and look to him as a spiritual and moral leader in your life for so longg" It wasn't like he just visited that church one time and then backed off saying "whoa, this guy's a nut." No, he stayed there, he gave offering on Sundays, and he had even initially named this guy to work on his campaign committee.

BTW, on the flip side, and what makes this topic very ironic is his new running mate, Joe Biden. (Yes, he is from DE, and no I did not vote for him to be a senator). Biden has made numerous racist (at least slightly controversial) remarks that I cant for the life of me understand how he is still around. In fact for the second one, he was all but crucified for it. Maybe we can look forward to him putting one foot in his mouth during this campaign and the other in Obamas, lol. The first one, about Obama, when he was asked in Feb of last year how he felt about him (Obama was considered a new and Jr Senator at the time).
"I look at Obama and I see a clean black guy." <-----If he was asked about any Caucasian senator, do you think he would have thrown in that he sees a clean white guy? c'mon, what was that all about, lmbo!!!

So Obama is a racist black guy, and Joe Biden is a racist white guy...

Does that mean it balances out in the end?